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  • Kephamos

    addikt

    válasz Integra #1900 üzenetére

    Mindenhol indulnak a százhuszonötösök is? (Gondolom, hogy Laguna Secában most sem)

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    titán

    válasz Kephamos #1901 üzenetére

    jaja, laguna seca kivételével mindenhol

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  • Kephamos

    addikt

    És Le Mansban a rendes pályán mennek, vagy valami rövidítetten? Csak azért kérdem, mrt ha vól emlékszem, akkor a pálya hossza jóval több, mint 5 km.

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    válasz Kephamos #1903 üzenetére

    rövidített,..mert a teljes valóban sokkal több lenne.

  • Integra

    titán

    kiszállt a camel a biaggi mögül.
    (és így egyáltalán a motop-ből).
    és így aztán se pénz, se gumi, se moci...
    ez így elég game overnek tűnik:(

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    Camel Takes Toys, Er, Millions, Goes Home
    by staff
    Tuesday, December 20, 2005

    This just in from Camel:

    Over the last three years, Camel together with Honda and the Honda Pons Team have achieved many successes in the premier class of the World Road Racing Championship. However, recent differences of opinion with the Japanese manufacturer concerning the choice of riders has meant that the 2006 project, in which Max Biaggi was planned to ride for the Camel team, has not been able to take off.

    Japan Tobacco International, proprietor of the Camel brand, considers the veto against the rider as unjustified from many points of view, and has thus decided to break off relationships in MotoGP with Honda and with the Pons team.

    Since the last world championship race, a number of opportunities with other manufacturers were examined and negotiations started to make the project with Max Biaggi a reality. Although carried out with great determination, none of these came to fruition and it has become apparent that this objective simply cannot be achieved.

    In order to ensure continuity of the strategy for the Camel brand, JT International is thus considering a series of alternatives.


    ''We put considerable energy and great determination into the MotoGP project with Max, even when it became quite clear that this could not be done with Honda,'' commented Mr. Roberto Zanni, President of Japan Tobacco International Europe, ''but in the end it proved impossible. The obstacles we found ourselves up against were various, decisive and, in a sense, inexplicable. It seems that the sporting spirit, which has always been part of motorcycle racing and which has given the public its great passion for this sport, had suddenly disappeared. It is this passion for sport which, on the contrary, remains a driving force for our Group, the philosophy on which we have based all our activities in the world of motorsport.

    ''I should like to express my sincere gratitude to all those who have contributed to our success in our first three years in the MotoGP,'' continued Mr. Roberto Zanni, ''my thanks go to Honda and to Sito Pons, the owner of the team flying the Camel colours. I thank all our riders and, in particular, Max Biaggi, whom I would have liked to see back on the track with us. Our successes and the excitement we have shared have been, and still are an enormous incitement for our Group. They are landmarks in the history of Camel's involvement in the world of racing and, precisely for this reason, they must continue.''

    ENDS

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  • Integra

    titán

    új főszponzora lesz a jamakának

    Yamaha Says Good-Bye To Gauloises
    by staff
    Friday, December 23, 2005

    This just in from Yamaha:

    Yamaha Motor Co., Ltd. hereby announces that Altadis/Seita's sponsorship regarding Yamaha's Factory MotoGP Team will not continue after the end of the 2005 season.

    For more than 40 years, Yamaha has successfully participated in the Road Racing Grand Prix World Championship and it has become the leading manufacturer of the MotoGP competition.

    Altadis/Seita have been sponsors of the Yamaha Factory MotoGP project for the past three seasons under both the Fortuna and the Gauloises brands, during which time the companies shared two world championship victories in the MotoGP class in 2004 and 2005.

    Yamaha will announce its 2006 MotoGP program in January 2006.

    ENDS

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  • Motion_Blur

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    válasz Integra #1907 üzenetére

    Ugye tudjátok, hogy ez miért történt meg?:)

    Stavelot 2, easily full throttle into another twenty second top gear flatout section

  • Integra

    titán

    válasz Motion_Blur #1908 üzenetére

    én nem vagyok benne biztos, nem igazán követem most a dolgokat.
    azt tudom hogy hakapeszi nem szeretei a cigireklámokat, de azt ugye már tudjuk, hogy ezt nem ő dönti el:)
    valszeg a honda és a yamaha keményen lobbizik mindenkinél...
    illetve hakapeszi f1-es ambíciói miatt?
    mit tudsz, ki vele:)

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  • #70869248

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    Nagyon sokat erősödött az SBK!
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    Szvsz répák a MotoGp-nál, hogy így hagyják veszni a pilótákat, már lassan fel sem tudom sorolni a jó pilótákat az SBK-ban, de a teljeség igénye nélkül aki nekem kedvenc:
    - Haga
    - Laconi
    - Bayliss
    - Lanzi
    - Abe
    - McCoy
    és most Barros..aki sztem élmenő.

    szerk: Biaggi Aprilia-s pletykáihoz egyenlőre inkább semmit.





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    titán

    válasz #70869248 #1910 üzenetére

    valszeg sbk lesz ő is
    keményebb lesz mint a motogp asszem:)
    bár csatákban mindig is keményebb volt:)
    lesz mit nézni jövőre!!
    csak sajnos az eurosport eléggé mostohán kezeli az sbk és ssp futamokat, a második futamokat már le se vetíti:(

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    válasz Integra #1911 üzenetére

    Akkor megoldást kell találni hogy nézhessem, mert igazad van az Eurosport elég gáz.
    Majd utána nézek,..az biztos hogy ha Max átmegy akkor nálam első helyre kerül az SBK mivel Max miatt is kezdtem el nézni úgy általában a motorversenyeket. Nézem majd a MotoGp-t is, de pont az olyan 'öreg' pilóták kerülnek át az SBK-ba akiket jól ismerek és kedvelek.
    De most komolyan ilyen f@szságot...már nem tudok mit mondani...:(((
    Barros lehúzott olyan éveket hogy már ezért megérdemelne egy jó motort, ..és kereken 10éve Honda-s.
    Értem én hogy én vagyok a farok, de pocsék érzés, hogy olyan pilótákat ejtenek ki akik meghatározóak.
    Nem vagyok egy Barros fan, de ha jó volt a motorja akkor sosem lehetett tudni hol végez, szvsz nyerő csávó még mindig.

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    válasz #70869248 #1912 üzenetére

    az idő vasfoga, ez van, ezt elkell fogadni
    meg persze irdatan pénz egy ilyen motor is
    nincs mese, jönnek a fiatalok most akkora generáció váltás van mint régen nem volt.
    és bevallom kaphat barros akármilyen motort, a suhancokat már csk megszorongatni tudná időnként. talán. és ezt nem fogják már neki megfinanszírozni.
    ha az enyém lenne a zsírosbödön, nekem kellene döntenem, valszeg én is ezt tenném:(

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    Barros to World Superbike?
    by dean adams
    Wednesday, December 28, 2005

    It has been reported in his native Brazil that veteran GP and MotoGP rider Alexander Barros has decided to join the World Superbike series for 2006. Barros rode for the Camel Honda team in 2005 but is currently ride-less and without prospects in MotoGP, apparently.

    Barros has said that he wants to race in a series where he can win races. Which is a wonderful plan, but is it reality based?

    It's just that the success-rate history of GP and MotoGP riders coming to World Superbike isn't anything to set a WSBK team manager's Excel spreadsheet ablaze. While there have been successful former GP riders in WSBK—Frankie Chili or Raymond Roche probably head that list—there's a rather drab list of GP men who some thought would do well in WSBK but were ultimately unable to hang. Riders like Luca Cadalora, Dori Romboni and the current GP man trying to make it in Superbikes—Norick Abe.

    Barros, who is—gulp—35 years old, is closely linked to the Team ten Kate squad for 2006, meaning he could be racing a Honda World Superbike machine next year. However, ten Kate are coldly clinical in their approach to racing and you can bet your best Christmas gift that they won't diminish their current World Superbike and Supersport effort just so they can add a former MotoGP rider to their successful squad. The ten Kate boys are quite savvy and certainly won't be romanced into thinking Barros—who has virtually no Superbike experience outside of racing the Suzuka eight hours—is a better candidate that any of their current riders.

    If former GP man Barros has a sponsor that will fully pay his way, and he fits well within the team, great. If not, then ...

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  • Integra

    titán

    válasz #70869248 #1915 üzenetére

    valami elképesztően jó kapcsolata lehet a camellal bajadzsinak, drukkolok!!!
    kár hogy jövőre nem nyer, mert a cbr idén beérett vermeulen alatt:))

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  • Kephamos

    addikt

    válasz #70869248 #1915 üzenetére

    Hát, ha tényleg igaz, akkor sajnálom, hogy Biaggi elhagyja a moto GP :O ... Ő a legszimpatikusabba a mezőnyből! :R

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    titán

    válasz Kephamos #1917 üzenetére

    rolfo is megy, bár nem is lett volna soha gp nagymenő belőle

    WSBK: Robbie Rolfo On (NCR) Ducati This Year
    by staff
    Sunday, January 01, 2006

    This just in from Scuderia SC Caracchi (commonly known as NCR Ducati):

    ROBERTO ROLFO AND STEFANO CARACCHI

    TOGETHER FOR CHALLENGE 2006 WORLD SUPERBIKE

    (Bologna 2006, January 1)

    Last Thursday, December 29, has been signed an agreement for 2006 World Superbike series between the fast Italian rider Roberto Rolfo and Scuderia SC Caracchi. After a MotoGP apprenticeship season with a Ducati Desmosedici GP04, Rolfo will go on to defend the Italian firm colours riding the Ducati 999F05. The first tests on the new bike are scheduled from 6 to 8 January at Valencia Circuit.

    Stefano Caracchi doesn't cover his satisfaction for this agreement.

    ''Roberto is one of the most interesting young riders of world motorcycle racing arena, coupling his youth with a large experience. More, he as the experience of a full season with the MotoGP and so he has the knowledge of four strokes engines, also if there are several differences between MotoGP and Superbike. I believe that Roby, who has been a first class star in 250GP arena winning 3 world events, could successful follow the Marco Melandri's winning model after a short apprenticeship, the fee to pay in a Championship which becomes, season after season, harder for a non-works team, looking at the efforts in money and technology that the work-supported teams invest in this series. We have to approach the championship with unpretentiousness and well knowing our possibilities, but I'm confident we'll be able to offer to Roby Rolfo the possibilities that his talent, in which we have full trust, deserves. More if we want to look also at the statistics and curiosity of our agreement we could see as Roberto won 3 world events and reach 18 times the world podium in his career, just like the Scuderia SC, and well Roby picked as racing symbol a smiling wolf, likewise the logo of the historic Scuderia NCR, from which Scuderia SC is the natural heir; we are hoping that this will means a positive and successful season for both of us.''

    Roberto Rolfo - profile and highlights

    Born in Torino 1980, March 23

    102 starts in 250GP and 17 in MotoGP, 3 wins in 250GP (Germany and Australia 2003, Spain 2004), 18 world podiums

    As a teenager he raced in the 125 Production Italian Championship and in the 250 Aprilia Trophy, but soon graduated to European Championship to finish 3rd in 1997. Roberto's GP debut was as a wild card entry in the 1996 Mugello GP.

    1998 was his first full GP season with Honda, finishing 14th overall in the 250cc class. He remained in the 250 championship for the 1999, finishing 14th with Vasco Rossi Racing Aprilia.

    For the 2000 season Roberto rode with a wild card on an Aprilia 2500 for Racing Factory, finished 16th overall; in the 2001 season he rode an Aprilia 250 for team LCR finishing 4th and he won the Michel Metraux Trophy as best rider on a non-works bike.

    In 2002 riding an official Honda for Gresini Team he finished 3rd at the end of the season, being first Honda classified; in 2003 he finished 2nd in the 250 class with the Team Gresini Honda.

    In the 2004 season he rode a Team Fortuna Honda, ending 8th overall.

    Moved to MotoGP in 2005 on a Ducati Desmosedici GP04 for Team D'Antin, finished 18th overall.

    ENDS

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  • Motion_Blur

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    válasz Integra #1918 üzenetére

    More if we want to look also at the statistics and curiosity of our agreement we could see as Roberto won 3 world events and reach 18 times the world podium in his career, just like the Scuderia SC, and well Roby picked as racing symbol a smiling wolf, likewise the logo of the historic Scuderia NCR, from which Scuderia SC is the natural heir; we are hoping that this will means a positive and successful season for both of us.''

    LOL

    Stavelot 2, easily full throttle into another twenty second top gear flatout section

  • #70869248

    törölt tag

    pfff :(
    [link]

    Háát..mindenesetre figyelemkeltőek az események sztem.
    Jól meg lett kavarva a sz@r..
    De nagyon kiváncsi lennék hogy mi volt az a duma, ami miatt az év utolsó versenyén már csak FIA nyomásra állította rajthoz Biaggi-t a Honda, és ami végül is ide vezetett.
    De szó szerint szeretném olvasni..

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    válasz #70869248 #1920 üzenetére

    hát ez -2 bringa:(

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  • #70869248

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    válasz Integra #1921 üzenetére

    szerk az 1920-ra: FIA=FIM

    vzze..szegény Checa..többek közt, de azért sz@r lehet hogy van egy jónak mondható szerződése egy igéretesnek mondható idei szezon után, aztán most megint meszelt lábakkal kint áll a piacon. :(
    Pons meg nagyon korrekt, de azért neki i feldugták rendesen.

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    válasz #70869248 #1922 üzenetére

    nem tudom hogy ponst miért szopatták meg biaggi miatt

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    válasz #70869248 #1922 üzenetére

    SouperPoll :: Pons Pulls Out

    How will Sito Pons' team pull out affect the future of MotoGP?

    With the current money is no object formula in MotoGP, they'll be the first of many teams to pull out

    497 votes (38.1%)

    The meek shall inherit the earth - World Superbike is looking really good for 2006

    407 votes (31.2%)

    It won't affect it at all - people only care about the front runners

    400 votes (30.7%)

    Vote total: 1304

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    Confirmed: Barros To World Superbike in 2006
    will ride klaffi honda cbr1000rr
    by staff
    Wednesday, January 04, 2006

    The Klaffi Honda World Superbike team has announced that they have come to agreement with former GP man Alex Barros for 2006. The Klaffi squad may be most familiar to US fans as the team Frankie Chili rode for in 2005.

    Barros had a fairly unimpressive 2005 MotoGP season after scoring a wet win at the Portuguese GP in April, where he beat Valentino Rossi.

    ENDS

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    (Non) Biaggi World Superbike Update
    by dean adams
    Friday, January 06, 2006

    It's been a quiet week for the World Superbike championship. The much-rumored announcement that Max Biaggi would be joining the Alstare Suzuki team never developed, but it is known that series principals the Flammini brothers are working to get Biaggi a spot in the Superbike world championship.

    One might ask a question like ''why?'' in regards to WSBK pushing to get Biaggi a ride in their series. While he may seem like a nightmare rider to add to a team, Biaggi is a well-known sporting personality in Europe and remains a near rock star in Italy in terms of popularity. With that comes a great deal of marketing cachet, so, although he can't land a ride in MotoGP, Biaggi still has many options in other series if he wants them.

    Suzuki sources said this week that Flammini is pushing the Alstare squad to run three Superbike bikes in 2006 but that the third GSX-R won't be for Biaggi.

    World Superbike fans will have to remain content with the news that broke this week that longtime GP man Alex Barros signed to ride with the Klaffi Honda team in 2006. Is it an accurate description to call Barros a mid-pack rider in MotoGP?—he won a GP last year, but on the whole, his finishes were nothing to proclaim. Regardless, it will be interesting to see how a mid-pack MotoGP rider equates in World Superbike.

    Who would have guessed that both 2005 Camel Honda riders, Troy Bayliss and Barros, would be in World Superbike in 2006, and the team now essentially defunct?

    ENDS

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    válasz #70869248 #1927 üzenetére

    kopizd már be a cikket plíz, ezen a buzi melóhelyi gépen flash sincsen és így nem tudom elolvasni:(((

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  • #70869248

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    válasz Integra #1928 üzenetére

    bocs pont fürödtem..
    szal:
    ''
    News, 09/01/06

    Yamaha Motor Co., Ltd. announces the start of a new partnership with JT International (JTI), a subsidiary of Japan Tobacco Inc., whose brand CAMEL will become the new title sponsor of Yamaha’s Factory MotoGP Team for 2006.

    The Yamaha Factory MotoGP Team, consisting of reigning-World Champion Valentino Rossi and his team-mate Colin Edwards, will be known as the “Camel Yamaha Team” in 2006.

    Managing Director of Yamaha Motor Racing Lin Jarvis commented “Yamaha is very excited to enter into this new partnership with JTI. JTI has been involved in motorsport at the highest level for many years and has been an active sponsor at the top level in the MotoGP class for the past three seasons. We look forward to working with JTI to enhance the respective images of our brands and to challenge together for victory, as Yamaha enters its “next 50 years” and aims to retain its MotoGP titles in 2006.”

    “A new chapter in the history of Camel in motorsport is just beginning”, commented Roberto Zanni, JTI’s Regional President for Europe, “After three years of great satisfaction in the premier class of the World Road Racing Championship, we are today launching a new challenge for the title. Our new partnership with Yamaha, the historic, championship-winning Japanese manufacturer, will be highly motivating for us and it will be an honour to be by their side throughout the 2006 season. We share the same passion and desire for victory and, I am sure, success will not be long in coming.”

    The Camel Yamaha Team will begin its 2006 campaign in Sepang, Malaysia with a three-day test on 23rd, 24th and 25th January.

    Press release courtesy of Yamaha Factory Racing
    ''

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    válasz #70869248 #1929 üzenetére

    szóval innen fújt a szél...
    nem is tudom hirtelen mit mondjak
    de vajon ez sitonak milyen érzés lehet most..
    vajon neki a camelosok mit mondtak, amikor még tárgyaltak.
    hitegették folyamatosan miközben már rég megállapodtak a jamahával?

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  • #70869248

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    válasz Integra #1930 üzenetére

    Hát a sárga pecsem tudja, de van katyvasz eléggé...
    - Camel megorrolt a Honda-ra, ezért Pons nem kapott pénzt.
    - Camel megtámogatja a Yamaha-t...de ez honnan jött????? a Camel-t értem, de a Yamaha-ékat?

    Biaggi meg statiszta volt. (csak jól nézett ki, bár elég hihetetlen lett volna, ha a Camel végül is egy harmadik személy érzelmi okaira hivatkozva döntene...)


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    válasz #70869248 #1931 üzenetére

    szerintem folyt köv....
    :F

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  • #70869248

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    Már kezdek megbarátkozni a gondolattal hogy Biaggi az SBK-ba tart..
    jobb mint ami ebben a helyzetben kinéz neki a MotoGp-ben, és nagyon kiváncsi vagyok hogy mit hoz az idény első SBK-s versenye.
    Jó lesz, mert legalább két futamon is látom :)
    Nagy csata lesz érzésem szerint, Corser-Bayliss-Barros-Biaggi...és persze Haga és a többiek, remélem Regis Laconi is ott lesznek az elejében.
    huh.
    A MotoGp pedig vesztett egy kicsit, de ha beérnek a tehetségek, akkor nem baj. Viszont az SBK mindenképpen nyert ezekkel az átigazolásokkal...Biaggi esetében az esetleges, bár nagyon valószinű, átigazolással.

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    válasz #70869248 #1933 üzenetére

    nagyon kíváncsi leszek én is az erőviszonyokra...
    vajon lesz e atomkemény gyilkolás, vagy rossi megint megy elől, aztán mindenki mögötte.
    bár az utolsó pár futam bizalomra ad okot:)
    sbk szerintem iszonyatosan gyilkos lesz, ha racionálisan végiggondolom az egészet, akkor sbk-ban sokkal nagyobb, több és látványosabb csaták lesznek.
    elképesztően erős és kiegyenlített a mezőny...
    már csak az lenne jó ha az eurosport minden futamot élőben adna.....
    sajna erre kicsi az esély:(

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  • Black&White

    addikt

    Látom nem lesz McFarm menü a Yamahán...
    Nekem nem tetszik ez az egész Camel story.Kár volt ezért beáldozni egy csapatot...
    Gauloises Hondát(Pons) a népnek! :)
    Rossi vajon tesztelhet a Ferkának?

  • #70869248

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    válasz Black&White #1935 üzenetére

    Az hogy Pons így járt, az pocsék dolog, egy nagyon jól igazgatott csapat az övé..ami nyerni tudott már évek óta.
    Sza vesztett mindenki.
    Igazából nem látunk bele, de itt a tárgyalásoknál lehetett vmi, ami miatt a Camel úgy gondolta hogy nem ad további támogatást a Honda-s Pons csapatnak, és itt a hangsúly a Honda-n van.
    Pons és a Camel között nem hiszem hogy probléma lenne, hisz évek óta megvan már az együttmüködés, ha pedig ment volna vita az árrol, vagy másról, akkor biztos vagyok benne hogy Pons úr felkészült volna egy esetleges második főszponzorral.
    Pont azon lehet látni, hogy egy ilyen helyzetbe kényszerült...azaz ki kell hagynia egy idényt, hogy ez nem rajta, illetve rajta és a Camel-on múlott.
    vmin berágott a Camel a Honda-ra.
    Az én elgondolásom ez, és itt csak ott a zavar az erőben, hogy a Yamaha hogyhogy ilyen pikk-pakk leszerződött a Camel-lal...dohánycéget-dohánycégre cseréltek, és nem igazán értem miért, pláne hogy a Gauloises-tól még egy per is kinéz nekik ezért.
    :F

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    válasz #70869248 #1936 üzenetére

    Szerintem a Camel sértődésén múlt az egész.
    Úgy gondolták, ha a Honda nem ad egy motort Max alá, akkor majd elköltjük máshol a pénzt.
    Nem hiszem, hogy Pons haraggal válik el a Hondától(ez a nyilatkozatokból is látszik, összevissza csókolgatja a Honda Spanyolországot és a HRC-t ), sőt...
    Itt sokkal inkább az lehet, hogy egy szerencsétlen csapatvezető a főszponzor és motorszállító marakodásának lesz az áldozata.Mivel idő már nem nagyon volt arra, hogy új főszponzort találjanak, lehúzták a rolót.
    Az, hogy miért rúgták ki az Altadist és hogy jött ilyen gyorsan képbe a Camel, az valóban rejtély...
    Gondolom többet adnak.Ez egy.
    A színük sárga.Ez mégegy indok. :))
    De az Altadis(mintha tudott volna erről) bő egy hete fenyegette meg a Yamahát:nehogy egy másik cigisre váltsanak!Mondjuk már azt sem értem, hogy lépett le ilyen könnyen a főszponzor a legnagyobb reklémértékkel bíró csapattól.Egy olasz világsztár meg egy amerikai vbajnok a két emberük...

    Mindenki meg van őrülve... :DDD

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    válasz Black&White #1938 üzenetére

    Persze, azon múlt, de az még magában nem negatív dolog ha vki megsértődik...én is többször tettem és sztem okkal :D
    Azt lenne jó tudni hogy min sértődött meg, ...az hogy Max Biaggi nem kaphat Honda-t, és ezért ő milyen nehéz helyzetbe került, talán indulni sem tud,...az sztem a Camel-t olyan mértékig nem érinti hogy korlátok közé szorítsa magát egy tárgyaláson...tehát hogy felvállalja azt hogy nem támogat Honda-s csapatot...hisz azért a Honda sokhelyen jelen van, SBK, de akár a sportkocsik piacán is...a dohánycég pedig reklámozni akar, tehát Biaggi miatt nem hiszem hogy ilyen döntéseket hozna...nem jellemző a profi cégekre,..elég hihetetlen is volt amikor ilyen hírek jöttek.
    Az lehet hogy titokban tárgyaltak a Yamaha-val hogy Világbajnokot támogathassanak, és sz@rban hagyták Pons-t, de persze ez egyáltalán nem biztos, csak egy feltevés.
    De a Yamaha miért váltott Camel-ra....Szal az hogy sárga...:D az elég komolytalan...ha ilyen mélységig figyelembe vennék Rossi-t, akkor valóban nem lehetne dohánycég a főszponzor.
    Atököm tudja miért váltottak...
    Pénz megint egy olyan dolog hogy ez egy világbajnok csapat....nem lehet gond pénzt szerezni..mindenki Rossi-val akar reklámozni aki a Motorsportban mint támogató szerepel..
    Nem tom.

  • Black&White

    addikt

    válasz #70869248 #1939 üzenetére

    Persze, ezekben igazad van.
    De manapság miről is szól az egész?
    Valaki hoz 3 talicska pénzt és ezek után elvárja, hogy az általa prefarált srác legyen a pilóta.
    Mivel a Honda mindenáron meg akarta fúrni a kisérletüket, beintettek.
    Végülis elég dúrván, mert ezzel a döntéssel nem csak Sitoval b@sztak ki, hanem a Hondával is.
    Ronda egy ügy az biztos... :(((

    A sárga vicc volt! :D
    De ha jobban belegondolunk ezt a Yamaha is fel tudja majd használni.Példának ott a LS-i festés.

  • Integra

    titán

    Former GP-Man Barros Not On '06 WSBK Entry List
    several tantilizing TBAs though ... & four suzukis?
    by staff
    Wednesday, January 11, 2006

    This just in from the FIM, the provisional entry list for this season's WSBK championship:

    (Competiton number, name, machine, team)
    1. Troy Corser, Suzuki GSXR1000, Team Alstare Suzuki Corona Extra
    3. Norick Abe, Yamaha YZF R1, Yamaha Motor France - IPONE
    7. Pierfrancesco Chili, Honda CBR 1000RR, D.F.X. Treme
    8. Ivan Clementi, Ducati 999R, Team Pedercini
    9. Chris Walker, Kawasaki ZX10R, PSG-1 Kawasaki Corse
    10. TBA, Kawasaki ZX10R PSG-1, Kawasaki Corse
    11. Ruben Xaus, Ducati 999 R, Sterilgarda - Berik
    13. Vittorio Iannuzzo, Suzuki GSXR1000, Celani Team
    15. Fabien Foret, Suzuki GSXR1000, Team Alstare Suzuki Corona Extra
    16. Sebastien Gimbert, Yamaha YZF R1, Yamaha Motor France
    18. Craig Jones, PETRONAS FP1 Foggy PETRONAS Racing
    19. Lucio Pedercini, Ducati 999 R Team Pedercini
    20. Marco Borciani, Ducati 999 R Sterilgarda - Berik
    21. Troy Bayliss, Ducati 999 R Ducati Xerox Team
    22. Shinichi Nakatomi, Yamaha YZF R1 Yamaha Motor France
    31. Karl Muggeridge, Honda CBR 1000RR, Winston Ten Kate Honda
    41. Noriyuki Haga, Yamaha YZF R1, Yamaha Motor Italia WSB Team
    44. Roberto Rolfo, Ducati 999 R, Team Ducati SC
    52. James Toseland, Honda CBR 1000RR, Winston Ten Kate Honda
    55. Regis Laconi, Kawasaki ZX10R, PSG-1 Kawasaki Corse 2
    57. Lorenzo Lanzi, Ducati 999 R, Ducati Xerox Team
    71. Yukio Kagayama, Suzuki GSXR1000, Team Alstare Suzuki Corona Extra
    76. Max Neukirchner, Honda CBR 1000RR, Team Klaffi Honda
    84. Michel Fabrizio, Honda CBR 1000RR, D.F.X. Treme
    88. Andrew Pitt, Yamaha YZF R1, Yamaha Motor Italia WSB Team
    99. Steve Martin, PETRONAS FP1, Foggy PETRONAS Racing
    105. Lorenzo Alfonsi, Ducati 999 R, Team PN Corse
    116. Franco Battaini, Kawasaki ZX10R, Team Bertocchi
    TBA, Honda CBR 1000RR, Team Klaffi Honda
    TBA, Suzuki GSXR1000, Team Alstare Suzuki Corona Extra

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    titán

    válasz #70869248 #1939 üzenetére

    pénz beszél kutya ugat
    szóval rossinak ennyi szava van a lényeges dolgokba:)

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    válasz Integra #1942 üzenetére

    Biaggi-Suzuki:
    [link]
    De be is írom, hátha meló megint..
    ''
    -Biaggi signs Suzuki WSBK deal-

    In what seems to be the final part of the Max Biaggi saga, the Roman Emperor has confirmed his divorce with MotoGP, blaming Honda for his inability to find a Grand Prix seat for next seat, and has now signed a deal to ride a third Corona-backed Suzuki in next year's World Superbike Championship.





    So, after weeks, even months of negotiations, Max Biaggi is to quit MotoGP and join fellow MotoGP refugees Troy Bayliss, Alex Barros, Ruben Xaus and Franc Battaini in World Superbikes, but on the even of signing with Corona Suzuki, the Emperor had one last swipe at former employers Honda.

    ''As all of you already know I've have been put in this terrible situation by Honda and therefore I won't participate at the 2006 MotoGP Championship,'' he told his official website, before adding that a book containing many home truths will be released shortly.

    ''As for Superbikes, I have always appreciated this category, I also have few friends in there and they have all my respect,'' he added. ''So this opportunity is a very good one.''

    At the time, a deal with Suzuki hadn't been signed, but on Wednesday, the 34-year old is reported to have put pen to paper to ride a third Suzuki GSXR1000 prepared by reignning champions Team Alstare Suzuki Corona.

    The bike appeared in the provisional 2006 World Superbike entry list issued by the sports governing body, the FIM, on Wednesday, but it is thought that Biaggi will carry the number 30 as former MotoGP rider Norick Abe (Yamaha) has already claimed the No3.

    Biaggi's first taste of the 1000cc Suzuki GSXR1000 will come during a four-day test at Phillip Island, Australia, next week (17-20), before heading to the Losail circuit in Qatar for a two-day test ahead of the opening round on the same circuit on February 25th.

  • Integra

    titán

    egy kis toby szösszenet!:)

    MotoGP: Who's Zooming Who?
    by toby hirst
    Wednesday, January 11, 2006

    In our 2005 MotoGP season preview, we warned that the bubble of success for the premier class of motorcycle road-racing could hemorrhage if Dorna and the FIM do not wake up to reality.

    That reality being that their crowning glory could be about to take on the role of a comedy farce if those sitting in the seats of power continue with their apparent arrogant attitude towards progressive thinking.

    During the final few rounds of 2005, over the course of the winter break, and particularly over the course of the past few weeks, we've seen a new-found level of complacency with regard to the future of the MotoGP series.

    So, is it simply corporate business or plain political idiocy?

    Just how many teams and riders do we need to lose before the political suit-wearers wake up and smell the coffee? The 2006 grid is already thin, as it is.

    The past few weeks have exposed the sinister inner workings of the MotoGP paddock. The seemingly doomed manufacturer-rider-sponsor relationship has finally been put under the limelight like never before. We've finally caught a very public glimpse of exactly who calls the shots when it comes to racing in the MotoGP series.

    The Yamaha/Altadis debacle was the first sign that madness had ensued. The result being that a lawsuit is brewing between the pair, and it doesn't look like it will be pretty, either.

    Altadis signed a contract with Yamaha to sponsor the factory team running Gauloises colors through the 2006 season. At the time that contract was signed, there was no official commitment from Valentino Rossi to ride for the works team in '06.

    When Yamaha and Altadis could not come to terms -- with Rossi's alleged stance against cigarette sponsorship the suggested reason -- Altadis deemed this a breach of the framework of the sponsorship agreement.

    As a warning shot, Altadis pulled their Fortuna sponsorship from the Tech 3 satellite team for next season, which has seemingly put that team in a precarious financial situation.

    Yamaha was unmoved by the lack of Altadis cash and seemed happy to run their factory effort with backing from the Yamaha Japan bank account.

    However, as of this week, Yamaha has now signed a contract for 2006 with JT International (a rival tobacco company), running Rossi and Edwards in Camel colors.

    This appears to blow away the myth that Rossi is staunchly against running with tobacco branding plastered all over his bike. Fact is, has anyone ever actually seen Rossi himself state that he wouldn't ride with tobacco branding?

    (Editor's note: Rossi has been seen and some say photographed with cigarettes in his hand and mouth, which would seem to indicate he's--like many Italians--an occasional tobacco smoker. That he may smoke and apparently hides it, yet rides for a team with a tobacco sponsor, which has as its intended purpose to entice people to smoke that brand of tobacco, I find hugely ironic.-- Dean Adams)

    This situation has enflamed the current legal situation with Altadis, who reacted to the news that Yamaha had signed with Camel backing by issuing it's own release which left us in no doubt that Altadis was not going to take the situation lying down; it's a huge commercial kick in the teeth for Altadis.

    Yamaha has countered (as reported here), and it's getting messy.

    Rossi, of course, is unmoved by all of this -- he's the jewel in Dorna's crown, after all. In this case, the seven-time world champ is the one in control, and both the team and any sponsor have to play by his rules, if you believe the stories regarding his contract negotiations with the Japanese marque. Yamaha needs Rossi, plain and simple.

    One rumor of note is that Yamaha apparently approached Telefonica Movistar with an offer to have Rossi run under their colors. This was, as the story goes, turned down flat by the telecommunications giant -- even with the multiple world champion dangled as the bait.

    Next up in the MotoGP soap opera hall of fame 2005 came the Max Biaggi debacle. Like him or loathe him, Biaggi has become a political pawn.

    Just 12 months ago, the word came from upon high at HRC headquarters that Biaggi was finally being given the finest opportunity of his career. He had been granted a ride on the works Repsol machine with legendary tuner Erv Kanemoto on his side of the garage. Along with Sete Gibernau (after a pre-season press frenzy), Biaggi would head Honda's development program and attempt to steal the crown from his great Italian rival (Rossi).

    Those grand plans quickly evaporated, with Biaggi struggling at the Jerez pre-season test and at the opening round held at the same circuit. His teammate Nick Hayden was flying, Biaggi was faltering, and so the moaning started and the statements in the Itallian press from Biaggi were critical of the Honda factory.

    As the season came to its conclusion, Biaggi made it clear to the press that the development of the bike and the support he was receiving from Honda was below par -- even though Hayden was performing well on the sister Repsol bike.

    When the HRC hierarchy back in the land of the rising sun caught up with what was blowing in the wind, they were less than impressed. In fact, rumor has it that HRC tried to keep Biaggi from racing at the final race at Valencia and then made it clear to all the Honda teams that Biaggi would not be given an RC211V Honda for 2006.

    When Camel -- Biaggi's personal sponsor -- heard this, they threatened to pull their large stash of Euros from the Sito Pons satellite team. This set up a major showdown between Honda, Sito Pons, Biaggi, and Camel. It was time to see who rules the roost in MotoGP, and we appear to have our answer.

    Biaggi won't be riding racing in MotoGP in 2006 and, as we saw last week, the Pons team won't be on the grid after Camel pulled their money, and the former 250cc world champion (Pons) failed to find a viable financial alternative.

    Honda has always played the political game to the limits of acceptability but, in excluding Biaggi and placing Pons in an untenable situation, Honda has shown that they are in absolute control of their 2006 campaign. Even if it means fewer bikes on the grid to contest the manufacturers title, Honda has made their position clear.

    Honda has shown, historically, that they are happy to be ruthless but, be it intentional or not, they have threatened the existence of a solid franchise (Pons) and have allowed a solid backer (Camel) to leave their sponsorship ranks.

    Effectively, HRC has made a statement that any sponsor who disagrees with their political policies can leave stage left and that no level of superstar status (Biaggi and Checa) can save your ride.

    So, the Tech 3 team, Telefonica Movistar, Pedrosa, Checa, Pons, Camel, and Max Biaggi have all had to dance to the tune laid down by Honda. Whether Honda is playing fair or not is debatable, but, whichever way you look at it, ultimately, politics and monetary strangulation are placing a strain on the MotoGP series.

    All of this has gone on right under the noses of the series owners and governing body. So, exactly how the FIM and Dorna think this is productive in the promotion of their flagship series is beyond comprehension, and, personally, I think it will end in tears.

    When dedicated team owners like Sito Pons, who has maintained a presence in the paddock for 25 years, are forced to pull out of the series, along with solid sponsors like Telefonica Movistar, you have a problem brewing.

    Whether you blame Rossi (indirectly), HRC, or anyone else for that matter, it doesn't look good for the series owners. The next question is this: if sponsors are being run out and no new sponsors are seemingly interested in MotoGP, how long can the teams fund MotoGP on their own? How long until some high-ranking exec decides enough is enough and sees World Superbike as a cheaper and production-based alternative?

    Sure, MotoGP go to 800cc in 2007, and there are Asian sponsors being buttered up to take the place of the cigarette brands, but, for me, it's the way the organizers are handling the political shenanigans that disappoints the most.

    What will those outside of the powerhouse brigade (specifically, Honda and Yamaha) do when the real cost of developing an 800cc project hits home?

    The profile of the series is at an all-time high, and Dorna are rubbing their hands with glee. The financial outlay has always been huge--it's natural for a prototype racing series--but where will it all end for the smaller teams and the depth of the grid if the current trend continues?

    And, if we lose another team or two due to escalating costs and end up with just 16 riders on the grid, just what will that do for the potential marketing of the series and just how will that attract sponsors?

    Many puritans will tell you that political shenanigans should hold no place in the sport. Now, I know that sounds naive, as politics have held their place in top-flight sport for decades, but, I have some sympathy for those who hold that opinion.

    I think it's troubling when MotoGP is fast becoming known more for its political face than for the sport itself. It appears to be going the way at present, and a spending ceiling should be something that Dorna should look at. There has to be a happy medium or Dorna will be at risk of eroding the wild popularity that their series currently enjoys.

    Will the bubble finally burst? I hope common sense prevails after this season and we see some sanity, especially as the 2006 WSBK series looks to be hugely competitive--on paper, at least.

    MotoGP needs to produce or Dorna could end up with egg on their faces if Flammini steals their thunder.

    We shall see.

    ENDS

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    titán

    válasz #70869248 #1943 üzenetére

    na végre...
    mondjuk azért bajadzsi enyhén kibeszél, mert az biztos hogy ő sem szentlélek, igaz a honda sem. de ha valami van amit a japók nem szeretnek akkor ez a stílus, mert így csak mindent feléget maga után.

    ...egy fecske nem csinál nyarat, viszont egy hülye százat csinál...

  • Black&White

    addikt

    Kifejezetten jót tesz a SB sorozatnak, hogy Rossi barátunk ekkora fölénnyel nyeri a vb-ket, ill. hogy MotoGP kezd elkurvulni, a pénz határoz meg mindent.
    Ettől függetlenül nálam a MotoGP az elsőszámú sorozat, viszont elismerem, talán sohasem volt még ilyen jó a rivális sorozat mezőnye.
    Idén újra nézni fogom! :)

  • Integra

    titán

    válasz #70869248 #1949 üzenetére

    broááááffff

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